And then very quickly turn to very specific questions about different instances of abuse. Morrison's name was therefore ordered removed from the DSS registry. To me, it seems like any reader of the English language would read that in a literary sense , of its self-exploration, self-doubt, trauma. I think its a reflection of the systemic prejudices . Right. As in her case, first responders had experienced similar delays in finding and reaching the building, and difficulties removing Driver once they did due to the same accessibility issues. [24], In a statement to The Daily Pennsylvanian, the university said the New Yorker article "did not accurately reflect" the university's investigation of the issues raised by the Rhodes Trust. And did they say anything along those lines? Penn filed a 130-page response two weeks later, denying all her allegations of wrongdoing and saying that the university officials and co-defendants who had investigated the case were unaware of the Driver lawsuit when they did. And again, people, including Penn administrators, have the perception of I think the stereotype and my friend Anea Moore, whos a Rhodes Scholar and graduate of Penn who founded Penn first or co-founded it had a really great quote in The New Yorker about we arent all, quote-unquote something along the lines of like impoverished, inner city kids who go to crumbling public schools as the wider media portrays us to be. Mackenzie Fierceton (born Mackenzie Terrell on August 9, 1997; later Mackenzie Morrison, [1] : 63-64, 86 ) is an American activist and graduate student currently studying at Oxford University. That would have to be the rationale that they would have for those childhood journals to be faked. "[1]:119, Dismissal of mother's charges and expurgation of records, Role in wrongful death suit against university, In its response to Fierceton's suit, Penn quotes Fierceton as telling police as soon as they entered her hospital room after her later injury about her diary and that it would tell them everything they would need to know. Like you said, theres also the cultural stereotype of like Orphan Annie and Oliver Twist of what these kinds of kids are supposed to look like that starts so early on in, and deep in the culture or media that we encounter that I think really ingrains that into people. [2], Shortly after the Rhodes investigation began, Rafaelle was informed that Penn was proposing to revoke Fierceton's bachelors on the grounds of her apparent self-misrepresentation. MF: Yeah, so Penn First for the whole FGLI community. I have all these three kinds of different rationale and corroborations. And theyll openly talk about this. Youre engaged in a lawsuit with Penn. I think [its] called Penn First, I believe, and it seems like you socially spent a lot of time with them? The reporter had assumed based on her status as a FGLI student which stands for first-generation, low-income that she had been poor her entire life. And it was also the community was kind of divided. And she quickly got interest of a book deal because she was obviously such a great writer. And she was shocked. So it makes some sense that they were very similar questions. Mackenzie is currently suing the university. Morrison then brought suit in circuit court to have the board's decision reviewed and reversed. That is when I would trace it back to. And so I was like, of course, Im going to respond again. And I think its striking to read that back and just see how clearly distressed and distraught I was in continuing to push on that series of questions about a really traumatic experience. Fierceton had apparently made much of her status as a 'first generation, low income' student, an abuse survivor who aged out of foster care. Then the Philly paramedics couldnt figure out how to get to the building and then they couldnt get me out. Her supporters at Penn have called for the university's acting provost, Beth Winkelstein, to be held accountable for her role in the investigation, which has been characterized as a continuation of the abuse. And I was the one who uncovered my classmates death. Fierceton said later that she had never used the word "poor" to describe herself or her childhood. RG: And all of us, no matter what our situation, are not completely safe from it. Like, they want to curate a diverse experience for their well-off students, so that they can say that they had this diverse experience in college . MF: Yeah. A week later, Brandt interviewed Morrison again at the police station; this time she said that her daughter had injured herself, saying "I guess she has more problems than I thought." RG: So one of the questions that you mentioned that they asked was about your essay , RG: which, correct me if Im wrong, but I think it begins saying something along the lines of: Youre in the hospital, you looked in the mirror, and you couldnt recognize yourself, you couldnt recognize your features. It was more, I think, in the times after and the months after where I ended up like giving different medical records and all of these things to corroborate my account, but there were a few questions that were very specific to what had happened. And I think that she kind of encompassed a lot of the stereotypes that people, and also the Penn administrators have about what FGLI students are when in reality, those of us who are part of the community know that theres so many shapes and sizes of FGLI students. So one question was: Are you from a low-income family? Again, this is obviously secondhand, because I was unconscious. And you saw that playing out right away, right, when your biological mother was first arrested? And then she hired a law firm and eventually they were doing their own investigation for several months. Fine. But yeah, that, I guess, just one point of clarification that I recently, in the last few months, just found out about. And thats actually one of the things that, if there was any doubt whatsoever about this story, in some ways it was settled by that. And where are you at school? She entered foster care only at the age of 17, after making a complaint of abuse against Dr. Morrison a complaint that a court later found not to be credible. She had bruises all over her body in different stages of healing an obvious sign of child abuse., No, I found it before. And I suspected that it was about this anonymous email. Morrison was arrested and charged with felony child abuse and third-degree assault (a misdemeanor) in the incident that had led to Fierceton's hospitalization, and an additional felony child abuse count for the incident that had triggered the DSS caseworker's visit earlier in the year; the arrest warrant alleged that Morrison had deliberately slammed her daughter's head into the table. The department of social services substantiated Mackenzies allegations, as did the Missouri Child Abuse and Neglect Review Board, which is an independent state panel. She had had a fairly upper middle class life yet was working at multiple fast food restaurants and barely getting by. So now Im looking at one American city and one English city and comparing the experiences of youth who crossed over from the child welfare system to the criminal justice system in both of those cities and kind of how the geopolitical environment and local policies and practices might impact the rate of youth crossing over and their experiences.Then its going to be a qualitative study in just really trying to understand their experiences from their voices, which is something that I often find missing from research. RG: Is that what sent you into a surreal state? By the end of the year she was in a third foster home. And just Deputy Provost Finkelstein saying: No. If youre an independent student, then you should check yes to both boxes. Fierceton clarified the details in question and Ruderman said she understood better. And its no offense its not like the most profound . I cant remember if it was in the Rhodes essay or in another essay that, in hindsight, you wouldve tightened up. [3] The change in her living situation greatly complicated her college plans as she had no financial resources of her own. Penn's admissions department thus automatically coded Fierceton as a first-generation student, a category it was seeking to increase among its undergraduate population, even though her mother had an advanced degree[2] and her grandfather was a college graduate who had taught at the University of Missouri. Thats the reality of it, but we dont want to think of it that way. Mackenzie, for her part, was accepted to the University of Pennsylvania and, in her sophomore year, won a Rhodes Scholarship. I cant say how many questions are left and were close to done. [2], Two weeks after the New Yorker article was published, Fierceton gave an interview to The Intercept's Ryan Grim for an installment of the Deconstructed podcast. And thats an unfortunate reality so many survivors experience, not having a lot of documentation. In the transcript, I wrote it was really just focused on: What happened the night you went into foster care? She didnt even know what building he had died in. One of them, to me, felt pretty clear that it was probably from someone in my biological family, because it had photos of me; it had very specific information that very few people would have and I dont think many people would have random childhood photos of me. Both reports refrained from expressing an opinion about the truth of her abuse allegations. [2], The trust notified Fierceton at the beginning of 2021 that it was conducting an investigation into the allegations. Doctors diagnosed her with epilepsy, telling her the head injuries that had resulted in her earlier hospitalizations may have been a contributing factor to her developing it. "[2], In December, an anonymous 22-page letter was sent to the U.S. office of the Rhodes Trust, which administers the scholarship program. RG: Thats been my understanding of it. Its practically half of Americans, or more. I do think that it is a huge defense mechanism that people deploy. There were so many there are, I guess I should say so many moving pieces. RG: in America. So that was, I think later on that specific line came into question. Fierceton described herself as a first-generation college applicant who came from a low-income, foster-care background. Mackenzie Fierceton (born Mackenzie Terrell on August 9, 1997; later Mackenzie Morrison,[1]:6364,86) is an American activist and graduate student currently studying at Oxford University. And Ive brought my mentor with me. And so they had to see some benefit to them in doing this. I think there were almost 30 of those letters again, very similar to who had given statements in the past to corroborate my abuse as well as leaders in the FGLI community saying yes, we started this community. Its virtually almost an unknown phenomena or to people who are working in the field, its certainly known, but theres been very little research on it, which partially complicates my Ph.D., because theres so little to draw upon. Because Im not under any illusion that Im the typical foster kid. "[2][j], The evening the story ran, Ruderman called Fierceton back and told her she had received some anonymously written emails casting doubt on what she had written. So the students had to form a human chain from the first floor down to the basement where all our classes are to relay instructions from the paramedics, the Philadelphia paramedics, to the professor who was, to my understanding, performing CPR. There were definitely, Im sure. After her mother left, Fierceton got out of bed, found a spare set of keys and drove herself to school. Thats been my understanding of it. It recommended the scholarship be rescinded. Its virtually almost an unknown phenomena or to people who are working in the field, its certainly known, but theres been very little research on it, which partially complicates my Ph.D., because theres so little to draw upon. How much research has been done on the foster-care-to-prison-pipeline? But it was definitely something I saw happening sort of this funneling of kids from the child welfare to criminal justice system. Penn acknowledged that, for that reason, it could not state definitely that those events did not take place but still, "the way [she] presents this information invites the reader to speculate when she herself states she does not have a clear recollection of the nature of this event, if it occurred. I didnt really know what it was going to be, but I feel like its always good to have someone with you. I want to read from The New Yorker article again, it says: The Web site of Penn First Plus, a university program founded in 2018 to support F.G.L.I. And then instantly people started picking her story apart. And if those things are true, and youre also struggling in poverty, then something is deeply wrong with the system. But I guess I cant say for sure. You have a good education and youre clearly smart. Like I just havent, really, there to be a lot of information about me publicly. And then theres the part that felt like: I have no idea whats going to convince these people if I gave them medical records, I gave them forensic photos of me taken in the hospital, I gave them again like corroboration from professors of like how I described myself, from leaders in the FIGLY community. I was in this private school with a lot of upper-middle class or wealthy white students. RG: And what was the first-generation community like on campus? [3] In high school there, Fierceton was a model student. RG: And so where is your story now? [1]:86, Morrison prospered in her medical career, and she provided generously for her daughter, allowing her to ride horses, go on river rafting trips and attend exclusive private schools, such as Whitfield, in nearby Creve Coeur, where annual tuition was almost $30,000. But Mackenzie Fierceton is not a liar. She was abused, but there is not enough blood." Two weeks into the school year, she realized she had been wrong. And now they have to face the fact that someone who looks like them, who shares all these identities with them, could be the source of all of this harm. I reached out for a response to the University of Pennsylvania and also Provost Beth Winkelstein and General Counsel Wendy White for a response, as well as to Mackenzies biological mother. But there was another definition that was also along those lines that I fit, that was, again, public on the website. And I dont remember exactly what their statement was, but they disputed it. "Fuck thatI don't have [a family]" she said later. Rather than it being for the purpose of benefiting the students themselves. Penn's Office of Student Conduct recommended withholding her master's degree until she paid a fine; both conditions were dropped but a notation about the investigative finding remains in her transcript. Like, it seemed like an airtight case from my perspective. What was the response from the readers of the paper? There were three instances of attempted contact from her family or foster family. I think there were almost 30 of those letters again, very similar to who had given statements in the past to corroborate my abuse as well as leaders in the FGLI community saying yes, we started this community. It, too, alleged that Fierceton was misrepresenting herself as having been poor and grown up entirely in foster care, with many photos of Fierceton as a little girl on the beach and riding horses, and other activities usually associated with affluence. Mhmm. She, to my knowledge, has stuck by that. Attached were copies of the Missouri court orders expunging Morrison's arrest and removing her name from the DSS registry. The article by reporter Rachel Aviv was called How an Ivy League School Turned Against a Student, and it tells the story of an extraordinary battle between Mackenzie and the University of Pennsylvania. Penn, by questioning so much of Fierceton's story, was making itself "complicit in a long campaign of continuing abuse", she added. "[I]t was probably from someone in my biological family," she told The Intercept, "because it had photos of me; it had very specific information that very few people would haveand I don't think many people would have random childhood photos of me. She had wanted to appeal the Rhodes committee's findings, but Rafaelle advised her that Penn had hinted to him that it might consider referring the matter to federal prosecutors on the grounds that she had lied about being FGLI on her Free Application for Federal Student Aid form. He was earlier arrested in Chattanooga, Tennessee. She was hospitalized twice in 2014 due to injuries she says were inflicted by her mother; after the second stay, which lasted three weeks, the state removed her from the house and placed her in foster care. And like you said, like, yes, obviously I was looking in a mirror, and I knew I was looking in a mirror. And especially, again, like these stereotypes of black and brown, low-income families, the knee-jerk reaction is like: Oh, well, theyre unequipped to be a parent. Thats why Im pausing to let her catch her breath. I think they have said, well, theres different definitions and the dean who is the dean of the grad school said: Well, thats not our definition. Her last set of foster parents had had a baby and she felt less a part of their lives. Fierceton, according to Penn's response, had learned during her parents' divorce how to make calls to the child-abuse hotline and that teachers were mandatory reporters. Like one of them was describing a biological child in a house as another foster child, and something about a half-brother or something.What were those and how were those errors kind of deployed against you? Uh, my lawyer. Is it as well explored territory as a school-to-prison pipeline? Were close to done. So you use what you have, uh, which are the definitions that were already out there. [2] She was also working two jobs, as a policy fellow with Philadelphia City Council and another interning in social work at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. And its funny, cause it just made me so frustrated and I actually went back and read it. The nurse also reported bruises all over Fierceton's body, in different stages of healing, considered an indicator of possible physical abuse. MF: Yes, definitely. At first she went to a friend's home in Ohio and then returned to the Philadelphia area as May and graduation approached to live with a classmate's family. And I havent been on any of the Penn websites. Fierceton. The father's message was forwarded to Penn's general counsel, Wendy White, who got in touch with Morrison. But when you're filling out a box where it's "yes" or "no" and there's no more information or "kind of!" "It is seven years later, and I am still having to prove and prove and prove what has happened to me." Enough bruises? RG: Right. And the staff member saying like: I understand, can you please give Mackenzie an estimate of how many questions are left? First of all, thats one box? While her yes answer to "At any time since you turned age 13, were both your parents deceased, were you in foster care or were you a dependent or ward of the court?" How old were you when you were applying to college? And it started with, this paragraph-and-a-half of waking up in the hospital and then, like you said, looking at my face, not recognizing myself, and kind of describing what I felt like and what the room looked like. And then the other question was: Are you the first in your family to attend college? [2], Fierceton moved into the first of several foster homes, with one other foster sibling and two biological children of the foster parents. [3], After the interview White emailed Morrison about how it went; she wrote back regretting that Fierceton continued to tell the same story. [1], Shortly after Penn filed its response, the Chronicle of Higher Education reported on the story. RG: Mhmm. Because Im not under any illusion that Im the typical foster kid. In between those placements, she slept at friends' houses for long periods. At her request Penn kept her contact information out of the school's directory on its website. Professor Walter Licht, a Penn historian who runs the program, recalls her as the sort of student who would "[ask] a question that makes everyone stop and brings the conversation to a different pitch." There were some pretty basic errors, such as my name, my birth name, and my birth place, and claiming that I didnt have a sibling, that I wasnt low-income, a lot of facts that were pretty easily disputed. And then theres the part that felt like: I have no idea whats going to convince these people if I gave them medical records, I gave them forensic photos of me taken in the hospital, I gave them again like corroboration from professors of like how I described myself, from leaders in the FIGLY community. Later in the year she wrote online that the name change gave her "ownership of her identity" and a sense of agency she had not had before in her life. Fierceton says she had not failed any tests; her Whitfield transcript shows she got a B+ in the class. Yeah, it was, things like that where I simplified all of these foster kids that youre living with a biological family who have kids, which I would say are foster siblings. They had done their own investigation again, quotes on investigation and then I had submitted over a hundred pages of documents to them. After Fierceton was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship during her senior year, questions about whether she had accurately represented her background led to investigations by both the Rhodes Trust and Penn that concluded she had at times suggested or failed to correct the impression left by some statements about her, and her own application essays, that she had grown up a poor foster child. 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